n this episode, Leslie welcomes guest Annelise, a singer/songwriter and TikTok star known for sharing her spiritual awakening. The conversation delves into Annelise's profound journey of spiritual discovery triggered by chronic pain post-childbirth. Annelise and Leslie discuss the shift from conventional Christian upbringing to a broader, more inclusive understanding of God as pure love, free from anger and retribution. They touch on the challenges and resistance faced from loved ones during such a transformative experience. Annalise shares her husband's support and her son's intuitive questions about traditional religious teachings, leading to a deeper exploration of faith. The episode highlights themes of suffering, awakening, deconstruction of religious beliefs, and finding peace in a non-traditional connection with the divine.

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