Session no. 91 11/07/1961
Continuation of the cross examination of The Accused by the Attorney General.
1. His travel with Stahlecker to the occupied part of Poland sometime after the outbreak of the war, discussion about the time that he was there and the route that he took.
2. Denies seeing any of the atrocities committed by the German s in the first days of the occupation and denies having suggested a different way of killing must be found in order to prevent their men from becoming barbarians;
3. Heydrich's plan of total extermination, unveiled at a meeting on September 21st 1939 is verified but he denies being present, contradicting document t/164 claiming he was.
4. His conversations with Sassen continued over a period of four months on 67 tapes, the reliability of them and the circumstances in which they were made.
5. The books by Reitlinger and Poliakov, which he read while being in prison in Israel.
6. Denies bringing an order to Globocnik to murder 250,000 Jews and being in charge of Heydrich's Jewish policy or being the director of the central office for emigration of the entire Reich area and merely followed orders at all times.
7. Denies being informed of Heydrich's policy for the Jews.
8. Became head of the Jewish affairs department of the Gestapo IV B4 in march 1941 and his job was to strengthen the ethnic foundations of the German people and his deal with setting up the railway timetables in co-operation with the Reich's ministry of transport.
9. States that he has no knowledge of the operations and activities carried out by the einsatzkommando in Poland.
10. His role in Stahlecker's Nisko plan, who was one of the head murderers in Einsatzgruppe a.
11. List of people who were the Jewish public functionaries at the time and whose idea the Nisko plan was, which was an idea to resettle the Jews in Nisko.
12. Admits that this land in Nisko was worthless and that farmers in the past had been unable to make it fruitful nor was the water fit for drinking.
13. He implemented the deportations to Nisko and SS guards escorted the people.
When Frank became governor general, the matter was allegedly taken out of his hands.
14. When the mass deportations began, the accused was in Berlin.
15. He did not order the deportation of the Jews to Nisko; this was an official action by the police and details of this plan.
Recess.
The continuation of the cross-examination of the accused by the attorney general for the prosecution.
Incomplete (testimony of the witness).
16. The Madagascar plan drawn up by his office IV B4 and his own idea of giving firm soil under the feet of the Jewish people, which Heydrich did his utmost to implement but there were objections and quarrels among the supreme commanders of the third Reich.
17. Denies that "The Madagascar plan" was a plan to send four million Jews to Madagascar and starve them to death, nor was it a program of extermination of the Jews, but one of resettlement, where there was sufficient cattle there for them to eat.
18. After discarding of "the Madagascar plan", he resolves to merely continue following orders.
19. The plan was approved by the foreign office but not implemented because of the military situation.
20. Denies evidence from a document citing that from the day of the failure of "the Madagascar plan", he did everything in his power to stop Jewish emigration, saying that this was under the jurisdiction of Himmler.
21. Denies having any authority in a specific case of preventing emigration in document t/808, signed by him, which he insists was merely drafted by him and ordered from above.
The defending attorney Dr. Servatius objects to his client being called a liar, without having the opportunity to explain himself further.
22. Discussion about the various regulations for signing documents in his office-7/94 and T/97, Mueller's permission had to be obtained to consent to each document and he had no right to sign on his own authority."
