Allison Russell and Kaia Kater in conversation. The response to Allison Russell's 2021 solo debut, Outside Child, has been life-changing and "surreal." Friend and fellow folk musician Kaia Kater is here for it. She loves to watch Russell shine. In an epic conversation, the Montreal-born musicians and longtime friends discuss everything from motherhood, the pandemic and subverting capitalism to Black joy, community and how good it feels to finally bet on yourself.

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