We probably should have had him on a long time ago, but better late than never. Dr. Phil Maffetone is a coach, author, innovator, and founder of the 180 Formula and the MAF test for heart rate training. He's basically the godfather of the field, which has seen a huge surge in followers over the last decade. He's also been an advisor to music legends like Rick Rubin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Johnny Cash, and James Taylor.

In this episode, we talk about heart rate training and its benefits, as well as his new research into music and its affect on the mind and training. This is a long one, but it was a lot of fun and super interesting!

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