The NATO Through Time podcast dives deep into NATO’s history, reflecting on how the past influences the present – and future – of the longest-lasting alliance in history.

This episode features Dr Florence Gaub, futurist and Director of the Research Division at the NATO Defense College, as she looks ahead to the future of NATO – from 2025 to 2099.

How can we accurately predict future events?
How do we persuade political leaders to look beyond the next couple of years?
What lies ahead for NATO, in the coming years and in the distant future?

In this episode, researcher and futurist Dr Florence Gaub walks us through her work as a strategic foresight advisor. As Director of the Research Division at the NATO Defense College in Rome, she leads a team that looks for “weak signals” of future events, helping ensure that NATO policymakers are prepared to respond to even the most unlikely scenarios. To celebrate NATO’s 75th anniversary year, she also led the creation of the NATO 2099 graphic novel, looking ahead at the next 75 years of NATO and imagining what the world might look like on NATO’s 150th anniversary.


Chapter markers:

0:00 Introduction
2:56 How do we predict the future?
7:49 NATO's immediate future
13:31 Predicting future developments in Russia
16:20 NATO 2049
18:51 Making strategic foresight relevant
23:28 How far can we predict?
26:58 NATO 2099 Graphic Novel
30:21 NATO's work on strategic foresight
33:21 The case for future optimism
36:04 Outro + reflections

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