In conversation with environmentalist, consultant, and author, John Elkington. A wide ranging discussion in and around John's latest book 'Green Swans'. This is an important book to my mind, collating as it does, both the the BIG questions AND answers to the fundamental issue of out time - CLIMATE CHANGE. We talk about Ford, Monsanto, Inequality, Diet...and inevitably, Covid19. A 40 minute conversation with one of the most strident, smart, and sensible voices within the ecology arena.

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