Dialogue with Nouman Ali Khan: Wisdom, Da’wah, Authenticity, Empathy & Lessons After Humiliation

00:00 - 01:23 Introduction
01:24 - 01:43 Hamza asks Ustaadh Nouman: “What is hikmah?”
01:44 - 02:39 Nouman explains the visual and linguistic context of the term ‘hikmah’
02:40 - 03:08 The idea of not having a loose verdict or judgment; every part of one’s thought process is tightly bound together (hukm)
03:09 - 03:58 Some etymologists would say hikmah is beneficial knowledge you can act upon
03:59 - 04:16 Hamza comments and raises a question regarding: hikmah is distinct from ilm (knowledge) and it is connected to virtue
04:17 - 07:10 Nouman comments on the three components (hikmah, ilm and virtue) in the story of Yusuf (as)
07:11 - 08:32 Hamza comments on being Allah-centric and the framework of hikmah (having an Allah-pleasing goal in a particular context and applying knowledge (ilm) in that context to achieve that goal)
08:33 - 10:06 Nouman adds another dimension to the framework: pleasing Allah benefits you because it is good for you
10:07 - 11:48 Hamza unpack the idea of self-love in Islam and being committed to each other’s spiritual wellbeing (the sahabah are used as an example)
11:49 - 12:17 Hamza comments that we lack loving others in the da’wah scene
12:18 - 13:24 Hamza summarised the discussion so far and asks about the role of the intellect (‘aql)
13:25 - 14:26 Nouman on common sense and the ‘aql
14:27 - 16:34 There are two source of hikmah: revealed and experiential
16:35 - 20:56 The systematic elimination of reason, the ‘aql and unconditional obedience
20:57 - 22:00 Hamza on the Prophet’s (pbuh) and his advice to Muadh Ibn Jabal
22:01 - 23:10 Hamza on the dawah, ilm and the lack of hikmah
23:11 - 26:33 Nouman’s personal experiences regarding dawah and hikmah: synthesising and simplifying
26:34 - 29:00 Constructive criticism of the dawah scene & the seduction of the algorithm
29:01 - 30:24 Hamza on the relationship between hikmah and one’s internal state
30:25 - 35:27 Continuing the conversation regarding algorithm seduction & a note of leadership
35:28 - 37:34 Becoming people of hikmah and applying the framework to a Prophetic example
37:35 - 40:16 Nouman on how we can become people of hikmah: become sensitive to other human beings
40:17 - 41:53 Nouman on major sins a result of shaytaan manipulating someone’s pain
41:54 - 43:27 Norman on the concept of warning in Surah Al-Muddathir and the Qur’an’s choice of words
43:28 - 46:52 Nouman on the great tragedy of dawah in decontextualising narrations and dehumanising the context
46:53 - 48:25 The importance of understanding how scholars understand narrations
48:26 - 51:01 The principles of quoting scholarly statements
51:02 - 53:10 How do we develop empathy?
53:11 - 55:03 Hamza on listening, empathy & true self-love
55:04 - 57:27 Hamza on “finding yourself” & the Quranic perspective
57:28 - Nouman on authenticity & artificial connections
01:01:51 - 01:03:07 Hamza on inauthentic relationships
01:03:08 - 01:04:48 Nouman on friends not in the dawah space
01:04:49 - 01:08:11 Hamza on tests and humiliation in life & Divine wisdom behind them
01:08:12 - 01:15:07 Nouman on his experience with humiliation, isolation, self-hate & the lesson of empathy
01:15:28 - 01:18:53 Nouman on public figures not allowed to be human & when your own people turn against you
01:18:54 - 01:19:35 Hamza on the story of Yusuf, his brothers and the role of humiliation
01:19:36 - 01:22:59 Final question to Norman: what is your thinking behind the way you deliver your story night & story events?
01:23:00 - 01:25:12 Norman on the need to study Surah Al-Muddathir for the dawah
01:25:13 - Conclusion

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