I had a pair of beautiful Shimano Nasci 4000 from Japan (for the low gear ratio) and I was finally gona try them, and some incredible accident happened. My rods sit very tight in the rod holders, and even when I drive WoT in the waves they never fall. You can't pull them out by pulling in any direction. The only way to put the rods out of the rod holders it to kick them from UNDER the rod holder. And this goddamm carp found the perfect angle. My heart is still bleeding.. : (

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