This is an extract from Canadian Broadcasting's 5-hour program, The Corruption of Christianity, which featured Ivan Illich in conversation with David Cayley. It was broadcast in 2000 and is now available in recorded form from CBC. Illich died in 2002, but Cayley later published a book based on this same set of interviews: The Rivers North of the Future, The Testament of Ivan Illich (House of Anansi).
Both program and book are highly recommended for here, Illich reveals the full depth and breadth of his thinking about how Western Society, with its rampant industrialism, tremendous social inequality, debilitating tools (e.g. schools, medicine, the automobile), and ecologically questionable future, has come to be.
