All right, so generally speaking if we're talking about a relinquishment that's generally part of either a deprived child action, where parental rights are terminated and the children are adopted out or some other adoption that requires the termination of parental rights. For instance, in a stepparent adoption, the other parent's parental rights may be terminated or relinquished as part of that process. Or if the state takes custody, that's where you have the deprived child action. And then you go before the court and you fight to get your kids back, or sometimes you work in agreement for the relinquishment to avoid a trial. So they're talking about in that scenario, if you sign that relinquishment outside of court, is that still valid to have your rights relinquished or terminated?

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