"I did pursue the grant hustle for a while and it was just an unsuccessful process. And as like it was with most artists, it's a pain in the ass, right? But I think for those who successfully go through that system, it's great. It's not without its own work and effort. But for my own trajectory, I was not interested in going through the grants or having to answer to that system.
What I created with Tim through the En Masse project and the participation with so many other artists was something that could bypass that system completely. We could work with the agencies that preferred grants or we could work with corporate entities, we could work with community groups, we could work anywhere.
And so the En Masse project also introduced so many other artists and our own colleagues to these different ways of working within the community, of touching the community in very intimate and expressive ways."
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