Laura Tingle, chief political correspondent for ABC's 7.30, joins the Australia Institute to discuss her wise and illuminating Quarterly Essay that looks at leadership, character and two nations in transition.

New Zealand has been held up as a model for everything from privatisation to the conduct of politics to the response to COVID. Tingle considers how both countries have been governed, and the different way each has dealt with its colonial legacy.

What could Australia learn from New Zealand? And New Zealand from Australia? In conversation with Ben Oquist, Executive Director of the Australia Institute.

Part of the Australia Institute's webinar series.

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