This episode I have a candid and revealing conversation with Sam Altman, who was ousted and then reinstated as CEO of OpenAI. Sam recounts where he was when he received the brutal phone call, how it all really went down, and its emotional toll. Sam and I also discuss ChatGPT’s explosive release in 2022, Sam’s hopes for AI to better humankind, as well as its potential for evil if not governed properly.

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