In this episode, Dr. Nader sits down with Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn, creator, writer, host and executive producer of the long-running public television series on PBS stations, Closer to Truth, to discuss: Why is there something rather than nothing? The topic of nothing is something that people have thought about since time immemorial. Dr. Kuhn describes an experience he had as a boy, which influenced his desire to explore what he calls the Nine Levels of Nothing. The frightening thought, Dr. Kuhn says, is that there could have been "nothing", a controversial thought, but one that Dr. Kuhn explores from an analytic perspective.
Dr. Kuhn has published over 30 books, including "The Mystery of Existence: Why Is There Anything At All?" (with the philosopher John Leslie) and “Closer to Truth: Challenging Current Belief”. He is also the author of the best-selling book "The Man Who Changed China: The Life and Legacy of Jiang Zemin". His articles include "Why This Universe?" and "Levels of Nothing". Dr. Kuhn is an international corporate strategist, investment banker, public intellectual, and long-time adviser to China's leaders. He has a B.A. in Human Biology from Johns Hopkins University, a Master of Science from the MIT Sloan School of Management, and a Ph.D. in anatomy and brain research from UCLA. Closer To Truth, on science and philosophy - Cosmos, Consciousness, Meaning - is now in its 22nd year on PBS stations nationwide and the Closer To Truth YouTube channel has 450,000 subscribers. Closer To Truth is co-created, produced and directed by Peter Getzels.
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0:00 Introduction
0:48 What is Nothingness? Dr. Kuhn’s Perspective on Nothingness
3:04 Different Kinds of “Nothing”
5:07 Dr. Kuhn’s Nine Levels of Nothing
5:48 First Level of Nothing: The Ultra Naive POV
6:02 Second Level of Nothing: Without Matter
6:21 Third Level of Nothing: Without Matter & Energy
6:28 Fourth Level of Nothing: Fundamental Emptiness
6:52 Fifth Level of Nothing: Where Physicists Start
8:59 Sixth Level of Nothing: No Pre-Existing Laws of Physics
9:34 Seventh Level of Nothing: Eliminating Non-Physical Concrete Objects
12:04 Eighth Level of Nothing: Eliminating Non-Physical Abstract Objects
13:35 Ninth Level of Nothing: Eliminating Possibilities
14:21 The Foundation for Understanding Reality/Why is there “Nothing?”
16:02 The Awareness of Nothing
19:17 Scientific Analysis without Prejudice
19:45 Description of Nothing in the Rk Veda
21:04 Analyzing the Ninth Level of Nothing
23:32 Experiences of Nothingness in Transcendental Meditation
24:38 The Nature of Reality in Relation to the Levels of Nothing
26:40 Analyzing Physicalist, Materialist, Deity, Perspectives
29:47 Defining an Ethical Basis to Reality: Axiology
31:49 Explanatory Power Being Key to the Ultimate Solution of Reality
34:17 A Solution to Addressing the Nature of Reality: Consciousness
37:12 Dr. Kuhn’s Analysis on the Different Philosophies of Reality
41:59 Each World Viewpoint Has Its Own Internal Coherence
42:40 The Power of Direct Experience
45:06 The Problem of Beginnings and Ends
47:20 Nothing as the Default Condition
51:11 God as a Necessity vs Reality
52:12 Dr. Kuhn’s Nine Different Ways of Explaining Consciousness
53:35 Materialism/Physicalism As a Way of Explaining Consciousness
54:04 Consciousness As the Ultimate Reality
55:27 Panpsychism
55:45 Dualism
56:08 Non-Reductive Physicalism
56:32 A Spectrum of Explanatory Approaches to Consciousness
57:26 Each Perspective of Reality Doesn’t Have to Contradict Each Other
1:02:14 Key Points in Analyzing Universal Consciousness Paradigm
1:06:51 Evaluating Different Perspectives on the Nature of Consciousness
1:10:43 Which Perspective on Reality Does Dr. Kuhn Gravitate Towards?
1:13:56 Final Remarks
