Jacob calls in aiming to convince atheist hosts to be anti-abortion. He poses moral dilemmas about killing one to save many, implying abortion is wrong. The hosts point out morality is irrelevant to legality and bodily autonomy matters more.
Jacob ignores bodily autonomy and suggests a child should be able to force a kidney donation from their parent to save their life. The hosts challenge Jacob's incoherent concept of rights not depending on relationships. They persistently question his flawed reasoning and he fails to directly respond.
After exposing his poor grasp of rights and pregnancy terms, they conclude Jacob lacks any substantive argument and needs basic education on the issue before debating.
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