Today's guest is Gunnar Biniasch who lives in Fuerteventura on the Canary islands, which are part of Spain, even though they're off the coast of Africa.  He's been creating YouTube videos about kiting, foiling and now wing foiling for many years. He currently runs the North Shore Surf Shop in Fuerteventura.  We talk about is very international background, go over Wingfoiling tips for beginners, switching your stance on the foil and I also asked them to break down the upwind three 360 spin or Flaka for me since I've been struggling to pull it off. The tips he gave in this interview really helped me personally. And I finally pulled off the move after talking to Gunnar. So, I hope you get as much out of it as I did. We also talk in depth about foils boards, wings and living a good life.

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excerpt from interview:

Before winging, obviously when we had people who couldn't type or couldn't wind surf, we would teach them behind the boat, towing them, basically getting them to a halfway decent level of control with the foil before going anywhere near the waves with these guys. And now with winging, it's a lot easier.

Cause now we've got a very controlled way of getting people on the water, basically sailing around and especially compared to kiting where the general issue is when people are not doing well, they tend to end up. Just like in the old days of, when you start to learn normal guiding way off, down wind, then you'd have to go and rescue them.

Whereas with winging, you can send people out. And if you taught them how to basically displace up wind, it's just like a good old beginner windsurfing with a daggerboard. You can just, basically, even if you're not flying, you can keep up wind. You can learn slowly and just slowly progress your way onto the foil and get flying and then take it at your speed.

Whereas most other foiling sports you have to get up and flying immediately, or else you end up somewhere else or it just doesn't work or it's no fun. Yeah. I was going to mention that too. Like when you in the early days of wing for the, you, I guess you worked together with ozone to come out with these instructional videos, Yeah.

And like this one here got to over 250,000 views, so are very popular instructional videos. And I think they were very helpful for a lot of people to get into sport. And also I've been sending people to your videos for learning how to do it on a regular standup paddle board or, so can you talk a little bit about that learning first for, some tips for beginners?

If somebody wants to get into Wayne for them, what's the best way to learn it, the most important part. And this is something a lot of people skip is to really learn how to control the wing properly. A lot of people go onto the water a little bit too quickly to just get away in their hand and you just go and they don't tend to learn how the handling works proper base.

So it makes life a lot harder. If you can. Try to get out on a skateboard on land. It will teach you a lot about the dynamics of how the wings work and handle placement, which handles to use to go up when, especially for wind surfers, it's slightly counterintuitive, especially if you're here, like you're going on an SUV without a foil or any daggerboards in it.

You have to be very careful what you're doing with the wing. Windsurfers tend to, for example, always just, open up the wing, shove it back and then hope it will all go up wind, which doesn't quite work. You have to combine it with the kite mentality of, okay, I've got the board pointing up within now.

Not actually have to move the wing forward again. Position it so that the wind can actually still also pull up with once the board's done that and actually skateboarding with the wing will teach you quite a lot of those skills before you get on the water. And it's also quite useful for a standing up and Swan.

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